Who controls https://www.gitlab.com/kicad? [SOLVED]

Cross-posted from the developer list...

Hi All-

As you have heard, the KiCad development and bug tracker are moving from Launchpad to GitLab. However, we have been unable to secure the https://www.gitlab.com/kicad group name for the project. The name appears to already be taken. However, this is not a public group or user, so we don’t know who controls the name.

Does anyone here know who controls the “kicad” name at GitLab? In the interim, we’ve registered https://www.gitlab.com/kicad_pcb but it would be much better if we could use the shorter name.

Thanks-
Seth

True. /kicad is already reserved and private.
Does KiCad head programmers have some roadmap (date) for the migration?

WIP… :slight_smile:

We’re figuring out the little details to try to make this as seamless as possible. As soon as we know more, we’ll post the full plan here and on the developer list.

Contacting support is worth a try: https://about.gitlab.com/support/#dormant-namespace-requests

Yes. All options are being worked at the moment. Hopefully we find who it is and they like us enough to help out.

Are we talking about Group ID: 2406650?

Maybe. I can’t see the number because the group is closed. Are you able to see anything when you go to https://www.gitlab.com/kicad ?

I don’t have a gitlib account.

I googled gitlab.com kicad and found a reference to that group ID with the kicad name

Ah. OK. That looks like this one:

https://gitlab.com/pauljdehmer-projects/kicad

This is a user’s site. The one we are looking for is

https://gitlab.com/kicad

I appreciate your help in looking.

I found this at the site. Seems to be one member.
pauljdehmer

I checked our member list and the closest I come to that is @paulvdh and @paulj12a. Probably not close enough but I figured I’d give it a shot.

CERN own the KiCad trademark, so a lawyers letter is a possible method

I’ll correct this statement. They do not. There is some work going on on this front but nothing lawyerly available yet.

Also, it probably wouldn’t matter:

https://about.gitlab.com/support/#namespace--trademarks

Interesting about the trademark.
The GitLab disclaimer is trying to duck responsibility onto the account holder.
Try registering “Oracle” and watch what happens

Looks like the 2 year inactivity date is coming due in January.

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2 years inactive of https://gitlab.com/kicad ?

It was already found out (in the dev mailing list) that the “kicad” name in gitlab was reserved by Michael Geselbracht.

Hmm, thin legal ground there for GitLab. I think they are trying the “common carrier” approach, but courts generally take the view that web hosts are “publishers”, and responsible for content.

Gitlab seem to have been making several mis-steps recently, I’m not sure they are getting good counsel.

A lot in common with fake goods on an certain well known auction site

Nah it’s more like gitlab saying that usernames on their systems are solely their business and don’t have any bearing to trademarks.

It’s just like if I registered oraclesoftware@gmail.com - google would tell them to piss up a rope

(Not to completely derail the thread, but since it is solved, meh. And also the usual I am not a lawyer/intellectual property expert, this is just my understanding of things).

Trademark law is a lot more complicated than just if you have one you can use the word and no one else can. Each trademark is limited to a specific type of good/service, and they can only enforce the trademark against you if you are either operating in that good/service field or someone could reasonably confuse your product with theirs (again, usually in the same good/service). If I wanted to create projects focused on fortune telling on GitLab, and registered it under the “oracle” domain there, I don’t reasonably see a way that would violate their trademarks (unless they have a trademark in the fortune telling services category, which I haven’t seen in my searches) and give them any cause. If I used that name for projects related to virtualization/SAAS, then they could reasonably have a cause to block my use of that name (but they would have to go outside GitLab to do that, see below).

The GitLab position is that they do not want to arbitrate trademark disputes, because it opens them up to even more liability and they are also not equipped to judge/decide those disputes (they can get nasty). By forcing the parties to work it out, the standard methods for handling trademark disputes can be used (negotiations, USPTO appeals, mediation, litigation, etc.), and then GitLab just executes the resulting actions as directed by the parties/court.

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