Specify pin header on bottom of board?

I’m loving the new KiCad (I’ve been away for a few versions). I’m making a breakout board for a MEMs transducer, and so far have this:
Screenshot 2022-08-14 134050
But I’d like the pin headers to be facing down, i.e. mounted on the bottom of the board. A few options come to mind:

  • Don’t sweat it, and just mount the pin headers on the bottom side when the time comes.
  • Just lay out the board “upside down”, with the silk screen text on the bottom of the board.
  • Ask the KiCad community if there’s a way to get the desired results.

Thoughts?

If I get you right, selecting the footprint and pressing ‘F’ might yield what you want. Flips a footprint to the other board side.

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Well look at that! Thank you very much…
Screenshot 2022-08-14 142319

Just be careful that flipping didn’t happen around x-axis. If it did, it change the pin order and you have to rotate 180 or accept different routing.

@eelik How can flipping by ‘F’ happen around x-axis? No way imho.

True, but, after flipping, if you then try to plug the 8 pin device into the flipped headers, it ain’t gunna flippin’ work.

½ a point to @straubm and ½ a point to @eelik :slightly_smiling_face:

Hahaa!

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Full point for me!

EDIT: I read too quickly and didn’t notice it was a full component, not just two pin headers. Flipping necessarily causes a mismatch of pins/texts and re-routing. I earned 1½, did I?

Are you sure?
Flip T/B is around the X axis? L/R is around the Y axis?

I suppose it also depends on the mounting of the monitor. :thinking:

Yes, it seems to be, as can be expected. T/P = around x is the default, which makes me wonder if @straubm has found the setting after all, changed it and then forgot.

I didn’t change the setting and less so did I forget. I just mixed up flipping and mirroring and rotating and everything. Never post before you had your first coffee.
To whom should I bow down and cover my head in shame? @eelik ? @jmk ? The world at large?

Well, it was flipped L/R to solve Fearless’ problem, and left to right is the Y axis, but if an 8 pin socket is placed on the now, underside, it will need re-routing, so both still right, so still ½ each.

No shame, no grovelling, both half right, or is that left… I suppose it depends on the flipping. :slightly_smiling_face:

Reading the original post the third time, I noticed I still didn’t understand the purpose of the board. Now I see the component itself is added to the board and its pads are routed to the pin headers. The component is not a “module” with pin headers, this board will be the module. The two pin headers are separate, and it’s possible to mount them in whatever direction because they don’t affect routing. It would have helped to see the component in the 3D image.

I have had pin headers in the “wrong side”, so it’s possible if you don’t care about the silkscreen lines which show the borders of the plastic parts. What is important is to make sure the silkscreen text and the component pins routed to the header pins match. If you flip the pin header footprints you have to make sure it didn’t mirror the pin order. You can flip the physical pin headers safely, but flipping the footprint may reverse the order of the pins and therefore the connections/routes.

@straubm is right: In this case, the ordering of the pins doesn’t matter.

This is just a breakout board for a MEMs microphone, and I’m using two 4 pin headers to connect to the breadboard, so pin numbering doesn’t matter.

But in the future, I’ll heed everybody else’s warning about flipping components to the bottom side of the board – thank you all.

The Judge has delivered their verdict! :grin:

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