Derailed topic with MISO/MOSI, and related to forum censorship

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Because a very small amount of people started shouting. If you really really want to change anything in the world, you just have to shout really loud and long and ofcourse being in a minority group helps too.

If you shout hard enough you can even change a nation’s national holiday to your own liking. I think that is was roughly 2% of our population who achieved the abolishment of our ‘black pete’. And the majority of those were caucasians.

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In holland we use the term ‘black board’ for what Americans call “chalk board”. coincidence? :joy:

Bas

“Chalk board” reminds me of the chalk paper used by hobbyists to thermo-transfer the image of the tracks on the PCB (the toner relatively easily comes off the chalk paper). That paper is white. I suppose chalk board is black - lack of consequence.

I am talking about these configurations:

in these “master” determination makes only sense for the signals connected to the controller, not the intermediate signals between peripherals.

no you just connect all SDIs of the peripherals to the SDO of the controller and vice versa just like you do with MISO/MOSI where you also have to check who is the actuall controller and who are the peripherals.

you also gain the benefit of allowing multi-master busses or switching between controller and peripheral state for bus members.

what prevents you from shouting back? maybe the fear that you would discover that the group who is against a change is even smaller then the one in favour and that 97% do not even care if changes are happen or not?

We also have whiteboards here in the Netherlands: https://www.whiteboards.nl/

The “Black Pete” is another extremely sad story.
When I was a child, I was extremely intrigued and curious about all those black people turning up. They were not like negro’s *1) at all but just pure black, and you never saw them anywhere during the rest of the year. It was a big mystery to me, and it was also one of the highlights of the whole festival in the first place.

*1). Negro (Neger) in Dutch used to be a common term without any connotation to racism. It was just a way to refer to skin color in an objective way. I think it was somewhere during the '90-ies that people started associating the word with racism.

I think that in a few years time some movement is going to pop up to abolish “blond”, because it’s associated with dumb (I have no idea why) and calling things “racism” gets disproportionate attention. I guess that in Dutch “Dom Blondje” (EN: " Dumb Blonde") is somewhat like what they call a “Karen” on Youtube.

Well at first people were shouting back. People were talking and debating (obviously got nowhere).

The shouting people had the tendency to completely ruin all festivities for our kids for several years. They protested with banners on public events. I even recall that a 14 year old girl playing black pete got punched in the face. She got up out of bed to bring joy to some kids and make the world a better place and she ended up with a bloody nose and getting called a racist.

In the end the 97% stopped with carring. We caved in for the sake of our kids.

Can you imagine that somebody at Kicon throws a soda can to your head as soon as you use the word MOSI?

I truly wonder how many people are actually complaining about MOSI/MISO and what kind of people they are? There are those who simply like to shout for any reason they can muster.

Bas

I doubt there are complaints. I think it is more a case of the PR department of the large corporation, with nothing better to do, see the terms master and slave, and worry that their company may one day fall victim to racist complaints.

New names are dreamed up, suggested, and approved. Everyone pats each other on the back feeling their jobs are secure over this possible future problem and the deed is done.

It doesn’t take long for other corporations to follow suit, lest they suffer poor future publicity.

It is the same with the so called “politically correct” use of gender neutral terms in my country.
One small example: Chairman or Chairwoman has now become Chairperson, not even Chair. The term started with politicians but has infested the whole of society here.
I swear, if ever I am at a meeting where someone is introduced as a Chairperson, I will refer to them as “It”, a gender neutral term for he or she.

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First of all I wont comment on the violence part as everyone who tries to prove their point with violence completely discredits himself and this is also not a form of viable protests and should never be mixed with it. but stupid peoples actions also never alone make a point unvalid.

did you ever considered it was the complete opposite for the “shouting minority”? That it reminded them constantly about atrocities happened to them, their ancestors or people they care about? That’s why I said I, who never experienced systematic discrimination the way most people or their ancestors did, am not to judge these things.

i personally think that there are enough ways of spreading joy without harming others so we should start exploring them instead of continuing with old stuff just because it was already there. society lives from changes and as an engineer I am fully pro optimizing the joy for everyone :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Yes, I did think about it, and my conclusion is that they should go to a psychiatrist to help them get over their trauma’s instead of pestering innocent children.

There is just no connection between those cases, and the connection should not be made.

A long time ago someone made a joke which involved some kind of death. It was a few days after my father died, and my mother was very upset about it back then. (The person who made the joke did not know it). Does the fact tat my mother became upset mean that jokes about people dying should be banned?

In the US, “Karen” typically refers to a bossy white woman from the suburbs who wants to talk to the manager if she doesn’t get the service she think she deserves.

Also, who shot this arrow straight up into the air?

Well I think this will would over strain our already critical understaffed mental health sector even more so probably wouldn’t work out.

If you think there is no connection between certain questionable cultural heritages then you probably don’t know about their history.

And regarding your mother: After you discovered that she was upset about that would you have followed up with an additional joke about death or would you considered her reaction in your decision about making such a joke in that situation?

Is that supposed to be a personal attack? Those are frowned upon on this forum. If it is intended in this way, then it says more about you than about me.

That is too vague to even consider answering. It is also a common technique of the “doo-gooders”, create an atmosphere of vague negativity in the hope to influence people.

No, of course not. However, the mistake you make is confusing a personal situation with generic society. Personal situations must be dealt with on a personal level, and it is both silly and unfair to try to blame “society” for personal problems or even for being overly sensitive. You can’t blame someone for making a joke just because of a death in the family a week or so before. At most it is insensitive if (and only if) that person knew about the death in the family beforehand.

no I just remarked that our existing mental health sector is not stuffed to “help” anyone who takes specific situations personally.

problem is: it is not a personal level thing. it obviously concerns enough people to form up groups etc. and from that point on it is a society in itself and obviously part of the greater society. minority rights are not just for fun a basic principle of working democracies.

In Polish also. In the school book we all learn in first class of primary school there was a very joyful poem about a little black boy, our friend, living in Africa and learning like us from his first reading.

The word used there for black boy now became to be questioned why I don’t feel any negative connotation in it.

I think there can be completely different look at it in countries that they had a racism problem and countries like my where I sow black man first time when I was may be 40.

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