MS Word and Excel tend to be used in a few rows at a time basis, often Powerpoint as well.
Basically, anything text focused.
I would add that Microsoft designs its UI for a very broad group of users, while KiCad is a specialized tool mostly for users that know what they are doingā¦
I know a user who used word in a way where she memorized that save is third item in first menu, etcā¦ And then Microsoft came with dynamically hiding the less used menu itemsā¦ I kid you not, she wrote a two page long document, saved it (which was actually a print because the order shifted), the document came out of the printer (she did not find it strange), and when she tried closing Word and it asked āYou have unsaved ā¦ Do you want to save?ā and she clicked no, because she āsavedā it a minute agoā¦
I think it is save to assume, that this feature came from the great usability lab of Microsoft too? 
Thatās why you can autohide the ribbon, something toolbars donāt support.
Yeah, Intellimenus. That was pre- Jensen Harris and is addressed in the video - it was one of the abortive attempts to simplify the UI. I donāt know how long the usability labs had been running by then, or even if they existed at all. This looks to me like what happens when you give UI design to coders.
The existence of previous failed attempts doesnāt undermine the subsequent success - it just shows how hard this is.
good for you. In my experience thatās not the case and we probably both are right for in how we use the tools. Because thatās what UI designers rarely get: users have different preferences and use cases. So you can fight claws and nails for your ribbons but downplaying other opinions than yours on them wonāt help your cause at all. it will cause the opposite.
Disagreeing, not downplaying.
I donāt have a cause, just an opinion and plenty of experience with the ribbon (because Iām not a Microsoft hater, like so many in this forum seem to be).
By the way, the ribbon isnāt automatically good - it can easily be implemented badly. The best example from Microsoft is Visio. Itās dreadful (last time I looked). Iām guessing the Visio team were told to implement the ribbon UI for consistency with the rest of the Office suite, but they had no idea of the enormous amount of work required to get it right.
thatās exactly what I meant. you put yourself on a throne and everyone disagreeing with you has some kind of malus making your opinion more important. and I will leave it there, have fun
Iām very slow in reading, but that didnāt stop me from always being the best in my class/group in mathematics or physics in primary and secondary school and at university. Several of my friends who had completed higher education said that they managed to graduate only because I was their friend and I was able to ātranslate into our languageā what was said during lectures.
I once sat in a car next to a 9-year-old who was reading Verneās The Mysterious Island. When I tried to read with him, I discovered that I was reading 6 times slower than he was.
My wife once sent me to a shelf with chocolates in a store - take Milka with nuts. I think there were 8 rows and about 3 m wide of chocolates. She did other shopping and I was still looking for this chocolate. She came over and immediately took the right one. How she does it - I donāt know.
This is more or less how my use of each dynamic menu will look like.
People are simply different from each other.
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